The Blakes are a band I saw for the first time a year ago and was thrilled by their energy, sound, and presence. As a trio comprised of Bob Husak [drums] and brothers Garnet Keim [guitar, vocals] and Snow Keim [bass, vocals], they a truly exciting band.
I recently had dinner with them at a local Greek restaurant, where we talked about touring through unique locations, how they have escaped some dangerous situations, and why they are doing things their way.


What’s it like visiting home now?

Garnet: We grew up this kind of small town, and every time we go back, it’s so small that your mom goes to the grocery store or to the video store and she gets “so when are the boys coming back”? It’s like everybody knows about you –

Snow: My therapist says it’s called being a celebrity.

Q: You grew up in Maine?

Snow: Kind of. I was born in Alaska – I moved to Maine when I was about, 10.

Garnet: I was raised in Maine and grew up on the West Coast, if you want to put it that way.

Q: Garnet, you’re the older brother?

Garnet: Yeah, I’m older than Snow.

Q: Was he an obnoxious little brother?

Garnet: Yeah, he used to beat me up. I’ve always been the weak one in the family. I’m the biggest and tallest but I’ve always been beat on by a lot of people.

Q: That’s sad.

Garnet: I know. Snow used to take me down - well he was a champion wrestler for a while. He was a wrestler – You did really well at wrestling, Snow.

Snow: I was going to pull the family out of poverty. I sprained my ankle at the European Wrestling –

Bob: It ended your career.

Q: And that was it?

Garnet: You [Snow] were good in history and you loved the chess club. And then he was really good at jujitsu.

Snow: I was trying to get a job as a bouncer.

Garnet: You were just a tough kid. You grew up tough. You never really had a lot.

Snow: Grew up on the streets of Maine.

Garnet: The mean streets of Maine.

Q: Garnet, I remember talking to one time –

Garnet: Oh god what did I say?

Q: You were talking about your artwork.

Garnet: Yeah, I did a comic for our band. We had a really bad show – in Walla Walla. We drove all the way to Walla Walla, it’s about a 6 and a half, 7-hour drive and we get there and there was no show. They didn’t bother to tell us. So we did a 13-hour day. I did a little comic book, about 15 pages. I illustrated it and wrote the whole story to kind of blackball the place. I called it the Glass Ceiling, cause it felt like we weren’t getting any bigger or any higher – we’re doing all this work and we just hit this flatline. But yeah, I do a lot of the artwork for the albums and stuff like that [along with Heather McElroy’s Yep Industries].

[At this point there is an interruption in conversation as a dish is served to a nearby table. The dish is some sort of meal on fire].

Snow: Cool.

Garnet: Wow.

Bob: What happened?

Garnet: We should order that next time.

Snow: I want to do that.

Garnet: I don’t know what that was but it sounds exciting . . . Yeah, I do some artwork here and there.

Snow: When Garnet was in high school he wanted to move to San Francisco and take drugs and do art.

Garnet: Street art. And then die. Really misdirected. And then I decided that I wanted to be a chiropractor. I started going to the University of Maine at Farmington. I was a bio chem major. I did that for 3 years and I dropped out of that after I got a lead role in a play. That changed my life. I never looked back. We just kept working on our band and moved out here. That was that.

Snow: Most people don’t know this about Bob, but he was a championship runner in high school. One of the best on the island.

Bob: I was a pretty fast runner.

Snow: You raced the state champ and you beat him.

Bob: No, I raced the fastest kid in school. He gave me a 50 meter head start. I think it was a tie.

Snow: Oh, well that’s still pretty good.

Bob: When I was younger than that I was the fastest kid in my class, but I never really followed up on it.

[At this point another flaming dish arrives].

Q: So, Bob, you grew up around here – in the San Juans?

Bob: No, we had a cabin in the San Juans. I kind of grew up in Edmonds, then we moved to Spokane, then Whidbey Island. That’s where I went to high school.

Q: So Garnet and Snow, you moved here together and found Bob.

Garnet: We found Bob.

Snow: We found God, I mean Bob –

Garnet: He was the first person we met when we pulled in to Seattle.

Q: Oh no he wasn’t.

Garnet: Honestly. He was the first person we spoke to in Seattle. I’ll show you how it went. We came down from Vancouver and we were just driving around and we hit Denny and this guy started screaming at us.

Q: And that was Bob.

Garnet: No, that was the first person who spoke to us . . . We got to Queen Anne and I wanted some coffee. So we pulled over to this shop and got talking to this weird guy behind the counter about where was a good place to work or do you know of place we could stay . . . and we just started talking. We all had a common love for British music and British pop.

Snow: He started camping out at our apartment.

Bob: You guys had a tent in there for a while.

Snow: We were living in the hostel. We lived there for about 3 or 4 months.

Q: The one downtown?

Snow: Yeah, the Green Tortoise.

Garnet: We were playing on the streets, busking, just to live. We didn’t know anybody. We made about $70 a day on Saturday and Sunday – near Tully’s. We would buy McDonald’s burgers. We ended up getting jobs at Tully’s – I worked with Bob there and Snow worked in Magnolia.

Snow: We did that (busked) because we couldn’t play in the bars – we were under 21.

Bob: Things were pretty bad in Seattle in the late 90s.

Snow: The Sit N’ Spin had just closed -

Bob: - and RCKNDY

Garnet: There had been a Mayor’s Ordinance.

Snow: DV8 wasn’t there, was it?

Garnet: Everything was done.

Bob: One time I went to Swing Night at DV8.

Garnet: Remember that swing craze in the late 90s?

Bob: The worst thing about it was they were doing this class before you actually danced, and they had people there who were really good. I partnered up with this girl who was really good and – she was really mean.

Snow: Did she think you had lead feet?

Bob: No, but I didn’t know how to lift her up.

Snow: Those girls don’t mess around. If you’re a mover and a shaker you can get a date, otherwise . . .

Bob: I never got into it. After that I never went swing dancing.

Garnet: You probably didn’t miss that much, honestly. I always like the Squirrel Nut Zippers. I never felt like they were a swing band. I always thought that was a man singing, but it turns it was a woman. I always thought the woman was a cross-dresser. It was weird. I remember I was working out in a weight room and hearing the song Put A Lid On It –

Snow: This is getting very homoerotic. Thinking about a man dressed up like a woman and you’re really into it . . .

Garnet: I was doing curls. Snow, you’re disturbing the guests. You’re screaming - you’re probably drunk.

Q: So, memorable shows, good or bad?

Garnet: Well, probably the worst was Frostburg.

Bob: [Agrees] Frostburg.

Garnet: Getting whipped in the basement with a belt. That was awesome.

Q: What?

Garnet: Our whole band got held down and beaten.

Bob: I never got whipped.

Garnet: He ran away.

Bob: They kept trying to talk to me.

Snow: Okay, Frostburg is some weird mountain town in western Maryland.

Garnet: Close West Virginia.

Bob: All these weird toothless locals. There’s a college there that’s kind of nice, but –

Garnet: And it’s cold there all the time.

Snow: [We played at] the Regal Beagle.

Bob: And we played to all these toothless locals. They were crazy.

Snow: They were nice, but crazy.

Garnet: To make a long story short, we had an afterparty at a house, in the basement, and they start hauling out moonshine that they’d actually made. It was 100 proof.

Bob: Rotgut.

Garnet: The girls at the party get bent over, quickly - they’re all kind of punks and the guys have these spiked belts. And the girls start to whip them.

Snow: Squealing like pigs.

Garnet: And then the guys start beating the guys and then they’re like, wait, we haven’t beaten the band yet.

Bob: They started chanting, get the Blakes, get the Blakes.

Snow: I was in the corner trying to mack on some toothless girl I thought was cute. I didn’t get hit.

[They did get Garnet]

Garnet: I had my arms held behind my back.

Bob: This one guy, all night, was saying, ‘Bob, come here’. And then I’d avoid him and he’d forget about it. Then he’d remember.

Garnet: Cause they were so drunk.

Bob: No, no, come here Bob.

Garnet: I don’t know if that was the best or the worst, but that was an intense one. I mean, we’ve had guns pulled on us.

Snow: In Georgia we went to where they shot Deliverance. We got to tour the slave graves.

Bob: Marked with just flat stones.

Snow: There was a regular cemetery and then there was the slave cemetery.

Garnet: It was really weird to see that. These graves were marked but just with these flat stones.

Snow: You don’t see it in Atlanta. It was in these places where only our band, for some reason, has gone. Really out of the way type venues. The band that was opening for us, their hair was down to here, and they weren’t wearing shoes. They were barefoot.

Snow: One girlfriend came between their whole band -

Bob: She’s reading a book the entire time -

Snow: . . .read a book through the entire show. He covered You Spin Me Round. . .
He got down on the table and started shaking his hair. And it was our band, his girlfriend, and about two other people, going yeah.

Bob: Right before the show he was like, we wanna welcome the Blakes to Georgia – this is where the players play.

Snow: That was the first tour.

Garnet: That pretty much sums up our touring.

Snow: We had about 200 nights of that.

Bob: We just got an email from the Downtown Lounge in Tennessee – he was like, we’re still rockin’ your demo.

Garnet: One of the only two cities in America that has sidewalks that are on a second story.

Bob: They have the regular sidewalk and then another sidewalk that’s above the street. They have shops up there but now it’s a ghost town.

Snow: We had so many experiences like that when we first started touring. It’s not like just doing the club circuit.

Bob: We were pioneers.

Garnet: We starved out there. We ate potted meat. People still remember us from Project Rathole, though.

Bob: It wasn’t even a club. It was this judge [in Texas] – he was a crooked judge. He got disbarred.

Garnet: But he had this nice property.

Snow: And two wolves. Remember the wolves?

Bob: There were these two wolves that were sitting around the swimming pool and every time you’d go to use the bathroom these wolves would come up to you. And they were huge.

Snow: Real wolves.

Bob: He’d made this venue and called it Project Rathole. And all these crusty punk kids would show up.

Snow: There’s not one independently owned store in the whole area. It’s all commercial chains. Those [kids] were so extreme with their punk ideals because there just wasn’t any normality. It was all new businesses.

Snow: One kid was so carried away during a song, he cut himself with a razor blade across his chest.

Bob: Yeah, he almost died.

Snow: That’s the kind of stuff you just don’t see. After playing all those places, coming back to Seattle, we felt like – let’s play somewhere where the whole band feels comfortable, where we all like. The city [Seattle] is just a really great place to live. We love it up here.

Bob: You don’t know how nice this city is until you’ve been everywhere else.

Snow: You’ve got KEXP – independent radio.

Q: What’s happening with the new cd?

Garnet: We’ve done a bunch of showcases for major labels, but we’re not going to go that route. Our goal is to keep producing at least a record a year. We definitely have the songs. I just can’t wait to get this one out so we can do the next one. We get tired of material so fast.

Snow: Every one was like, wait to get a label. And we thought about doing that. It didn’t feel right. What does it matter if we put out our record now, to our friends and Seattle? If a label wants to come and help out, fine. But we’re not going to sit around and wait.

Garnet: Anytime you sign with a major you’re put on hold for basically a year. The downside is that [doing it on our own] it turns you into a little business mogul. I think there’s a lot more that bands are finding out about this whole thing of doing it for yourself. It’s not as easy as it sounds, and not only that it puts you in a very compromising position.

Snow: You don’t want to look at yourself as a product. You have to sell yourself.

Garnet: It’s weird. There are no guarantees.

Snow: You don’t have any strings attached.

Garnet: This is the first record we’re really trying to do it right [with] out of the four records we’ve done.

Snow: We hoard our records the way the Gollum hoards his ring. We never released anything officially.

Garnet: We’ve been going to the post office a lot.

Snow: We’re getting fans in the post office. [They’ll say stuff] ‘These don’t look like demos, these look like press kits. A long time ago there was a little band called Soundgarden. And I was mailing their press kits, too’.

Q: They talk about stuff?

Garnet: Yeah, he told us the whole story.

Snow: [The guy at his post office says] ‘It’s all about numbers. Send enough out and there’s someone out there that loves your band and just doesn’t know it yet’.
We call him post office Buddha.


Q: Why the Blakes?

Garnet: I got it in a dream. We had two different names we were using when in L.A. One was Blu and we decide to do this one - Johnny Rockstar.

Snow: What about Call us Girls?

Garnet: We even had a theme song for that one. I had a dream that we had a band called the Blakes.

Snow: It was the Blakes or Pink Junior. The Blakes may morph into Pink Junior at some point.

Q: So no association with anything Blake?

Garnet: When Robert Blake shot his wife the helicopters were circling our studio. He lived a mile down from where we recorded our first record. It could have had something to do with of that.

Snow: Garnet was so traumatized.

Bob: We were recording that album right next to where they were shooting Passions – that daytime soap where they were all witches and weird stuff.

Q: Did you see the actors a lot?

Snow: All the time. We’d go to the pisser and see those actors.

Q: Did they look strange?

Snow: They were beautiful. I didn’t realize how beautiful actors were until you got up close.

Garnet: They looked like they were from outer space – a galaxy from far, far away.

Q: What happened with the show with Radio 4 last time you were here?

Thomas: Well, no one showed up. That usually does it. I mean, people were there. We always have a good time no matter what. We’ll always put on a show and we’ll always have a good time. Sometimes when you’re on tour and you’re putting in so much time and you look so much forward to the way things are going to happen every night and you kind of have those duds once in a while. The other 20 hours of your day were in preparation for rocking and then you show up – I hate the duds. I can’t stand the duds.

Q: Was Radio 4 fun to tour with?

Thomas: Yeah, they were great. We’re nice guys. Maybe it’s a Canadian thing, but in our opinion there are no mean bands.

Q: I read you were born on the Isle of Guernsey. Do you visit there?

Thomas: No, I don’t even know why that made it into the bio. It’s kind of weird.

Q: Is it the one with the cows? Wait I am thinking of Jersey.

Thomas: Jersey is our rival. Jersey is like ten times as big. There’s the Jersey cow and the Guernsey cow, but have you ever heard of the Guernsey cow?

Me: I’ve heard of the Jersey cow. I’ve seen the Jersey caramel.

Thomas: Their cows are so sweet.

Q: On tour you have a hand clapper – he claps and plays keyboards, too?

Thomas: He doesn’t know how to play keyboards. He has a keyboard in front of him. I have all these laser sounds that I’ve created – I just program these different laser sounds into the sampler and he can press any button he wants and something is going to come out. That’s his keyboard ability. And he claps. But today, tomorrow and the next day will be the first shows we’ve ever not played with the clapper. He’s not here – he went to L.A. I don’t know how we’re going to do it – we’re supposed to be a five piece band. It’s totally weird. Luckily the stage is pretty small here.

Q: How was San Francisco? A madhouse?

Thomas: I guess when you tour with a band like Scissor Sisters and things are a little bit wacky already – SF shows were totally out of control. They were like shows I have never played before in my life. Pretty much the nicest crowd in the world, mostly gay. Tons of very large men dressed as women all over the place. At certain points audience members mouthing the words I love you with little tongue gestures. We had men’s shirts thrown at us while playing.

Q: Was that the first time that had happened to you?

Thomas: That is the first time. Scissor Sisters have this hula hooper guy in a tiny little thong – it was different than any show. Ever. And the after show party was even crazier.

Q: Are you having a party too?

Thomas: In Seattle? I don’t know. They never tell me. They tell me at the last second, like as they’re leaving. And then we (Small Sins) go and we’re like your dad. We’re at the gayest place of all time, trying to fit in.

Q: Dancing?

Thomas: We’re like, I can dance. All these sweaty dudes. I’m all about wearing my gay hat. Trying to fit in.

Q: Have you gotten a vest?

Thomas: You just have to take your shirt off altogether. It’s crazy, so much fun. They (Scissor Sisters) are the funnest band in the world.

Q: I read in RS they read a lot on tour?

Thomas: I haven’t seen them read. I’m sure they probably read, on their bus. I’ve never seen them reading while on the dance floor.

Q: Do you like dancing?

Thomas: I love dancing. I’ve been reading, more than ever.

Q: What have you been reading?

Thomas: I’ve just about finished DBC Pierre’s Ludmilla’s Broken English. It’s pretty good.

Q: Is it a heavy book?

Thomas: No, not really. I really like Chuck Foster. He writes for Spin. He has three books, they’re all really great. Short chapters – you can put it down for a week and then pick it up again and read it all day.

Q: Who made the decision to wear all white on stage?

Thomas: A friend of mine was wearing all white one day and she looked super hot and I was just starting rehearsals with the band for the first time. I was trying to think of things we could do – I just wanted to be unified somehow. It’s not like it means anything. I just wanted to look like one unit. That was just a cheap and easy way to do it.

Q: You must use a lot of bleach.

Thomas: The bleach pen is the best – the Tide bleach pen. You dab it on every spot that’s like really bad and then wash it in the Tide with bleach.
They come out spotless.

Cool – that’s a good tip for my white clothing. I hardly ever buy anything white.

Thomas: It is after labor day.

Q: The bass is my favorite instrument – though you play all the instruments on the cd why did you choose to play it?

Thomas: I guess it’s the one instrument that’s constant. Everybody else has to make certain changes while they play. I can concentrate on singing – in my old band I used to play bass as well so I am used to it. Most of the music is very melody based and if the vocal’s not right then nothing else really matters.

Me: I’m not trying to sound like I am sucking up but your voice is one of the most beautiful I have ever heard – it’s like another instrument.

Thomas: Really? I hate to disappoint you but live I sing everything an octave up. Doesn’t that blow the whole cover? I just like it to be more energetic.

Q: You recorded part of the cd in your parents’ basement?

Thomas: A little bit. I moved around a lot. I didn’t have much equipment at the time. I hadn’t gotten as nerdy about recording as I would become this year. When my parents went on vacation I totally converted their house in to a studio. But that was really only two or three weeks of the process of a year. Later I moved to various rehearsal spaces. These days I am a little bit more secure. I have my own space and a lot more junk. At the time though it was like wherever would have me.

Q: Was it a cleansing cd to make?

Thomas: It was definitely the first music I ever made that was completely just for me. When I first started recording and I had quit my other bands and I was kind of considering not being in a band again and not really trying to put out records. I’m a little older, maybe I should try to find a real job one day. I just started recording music purely for fun and not to play for any body. Like reading a book or playing video games. I really like the process of recording music on my own, it’s my hobby. It totally changed the music as soon as I started doing it for myself. I played it for a couple of friends and it got out really fast. People wanted to give me money. That job thing was all just a dream. It made me look at music in a whole new way and learn a lot of different things about myself.

Q: Such as?

Thomas: What I like in music. Not trying to impress any body, except yourself. I could do really silly things, and I like them. Like the keyboard solo on It’s Easy is pretty much the silliest piece of music ever, but I really love stuff like that. In bands before I would never take chances like that. Somebody might think that’s lame or whatever even thoug I really liked that and your tastes become really streamlined. You don’t have to worry about anybody saying no, whereas sometimes when you’re in a band with other dudes and you have a musical choice that’s a little bit risky it can kind of go either way. Someone’s gonna veto it every time. I know there’s obviously a lot of great music that’s collaborative but for me it never really worked out for some reason.

Q: Stay? Is it a farewell song?

Thomas: No. It’s about wanting to have a relationship with somebody without wanting to have sex with them. I guess I just haven’t had that many female friends that I didn’t want to have sex with. Sometimes friends who are beautiful people, who happen to be women and I love the relationship that I have with them, but . . . I’m not the right guy for you, we’re cool. Find a real boyfriend, cause I’m going to be on the road all the time anyway so why would you want me? I want you here all the time but I don’t want to have sex with you.

Q: Devo was mentioned in your bio. You’re a big fan?

Thomas: I love the Devo. I actually only own one Devo record, which is phenomenal, which is Are We Not Men, We Are Devo.

Q: Have you seen them?

Thomas: No.

Me: I saw them a couple weeks ago.

Thomas: Was it the new Devo?

No: Devo.

Thomas: I hear they sent out some kids. Devo 2K or whatever.

Q: What’s next for you?

Thomas: We’re co-headlining with a band called the Little Ones. I think they do well in California so I think they’ll headline there and then we’ll headline the rest of the country.

Q: And you’ll headline here.

Thomas: I think so. I like Seattle.

Q: What about how you fit in with Canadian music. Do you feel separate?

Thomas: Yeah. When other people are doing really well around you, you tend to step it up. When there’s a lot of success happening in your circle, it just feels more possible. There’s a certain confidence to get it done in the first place. It makes you feel good to see these other bands doing well and you feel like you can do well.

Me: And compete with them.

Thomas: And compete with them.

Q: What bands would you like to tour with?

I really love Spoon. This band called Starlight Mints – they’re from here? They’re great.

The Futureheads is one of my top ten bands ever, hands down. Combining melody, harmony - how do you describe something that you just have to listen to and let it take over your world? For the Futureheads create worlds in each song in the way film plays before your eyes. It jars, it snaps, then it caresses. Their second album, News and Tributes, released on June 13th in the States, seals the deal.

Ross Millard, singer/guitarist/writer and one quarter of the Futureheads, spoke with me just before a show he was set to do in the U.K. There are many things I want to know about the Futureheads, and so narrowed my questions down to a few for Millard, whose voice is perfection spoken and sung.


How did Return of the Berserker come about?

Millard: That was more or less fully improvised. We were very conscious with the new album that it was a little bit more controlled, well, a little bit less crazy in a way. So we made an effort to have certain songs or certain moments on the album that were completely the opposite of that, very much a hark back to the earlier days maybe. We had a couple of rules: Barry would keep a riff going and the rest of us would count in and out at random intervals and he wouldn’t have any idea when we were going to join in again. It was just like a little project at first and then it became a really nice piece of music to have in the middle of the record because it was so contrasting with the songs on either side of it.

There’s singing in it also - in the background.

Millard: There’s like a lead vocal really heavily distorted.

You did a version of Fit But You Know it with the Streets’ Mike Skinner

Millard: He’s on the same label as us and he wanted a live band to do a version of that song for the single. He’s not really the kind of artist who works with live musicians so much. So 679 asked if we’d submit a version and people liked it enough to use it as the version with a band recording. We didn’t actually meet him in the flesh until much later - we just got the track sent to us in the studio.

Would you do another one?

Millard: I don’t know. Maybe - it would be nice to see if we could work the other way around. Someone like that remix one of our songs rather than us always reinterpreting other people’s songs because as much as we like doing that with other musicians and stuff, there’s a temptation to want to just write your own music. We’ll have to wait and see.

Millard: What song would he do?

Area would be a good one, I guess - a similar sort of subject matter to the kind of thing that he would sing about - the town he grew up in, the state of play that it’s in. It would be interesting to see what someone like that could do with one of our songs but I shouldn’t hold my breath for it to happen.

You never know.

The Song Man Ray, is it about the artist?

Millard: It is absolutely [inspired by him] - it’s not really about him. I think the premise of the song is - I didn’t write that one - to try and woo a girl by getting into Man Ray and Weston and stuff. Discovering art as a way to woo a woman.

Meatyard article was impressive. You are interested in photography? Have you studied it?

Millard: I’ve never studied it or anything. I’m sort of at an amateur level - I’m very much interested in it. I do always have a camera with us - it’s more exciting to take pictures when you’re out of the U.K. for some reason. I never seem to be struck with too much inspiration. I guess because all the towns you end up playing in the U.K. you’ve been to a million times before. It’s more a way to document what we’re doing rather than anything else. As far as technique’s concerned I’m not particularly well versed. It’s nice to keep your fingers in the pie so as to speak.

What did you study at university?

Millard: I did English literature.

Favorite writers?

Millard: I really like hard-boiled fiction, noirish stuff. Raymond Chandler. Dashiell Hammet. I also like Saul Bellow, Ralph Ellison (Invisible Man - I love that book). It’s really hard to pin down specific people.

Let’s talk about News and Tributes.

Millard: I guess it works in a similar way to what Danger of the Water does in the first record. It’s about the Munich air disaster that involved the Man United Football Team. It’s not at all about that incident because of it specifically being Man United or football but more because there’s elements of a real human tragedy in it. Everyone likes a good tragedy every now and again - it’s nice to sink your teeth into something that poignant. It’s a bit of a challenge to write about as well cause you look at the landscape of rock n roll lyrics and it’s a bit two dimensional to say the least, isn’t it? I’ve always liked bands and artists who write songs about things that you never really would expect to be written about.

Are you a Man U supporter?

Millard:Yeah, I am - that’s kind of where the song started out more as kind of a project to see if I could write a song about that without it necessarily being a Futureheads song in the beginning. When we came to record the other lads liked it enough to want to work out the version for us to do as a group sort of thing. There are a lot of songs like that one of us will have that stylistically would never work in the band so it’s always nice to eventually work through that . . . something that doesn’t sound like it would work in the band eventually becomes important for the new record.

You said you had a goal to Nasty and abrasive music? Has this changed?

Millard: A little bit in the sense that you don’t want to do the same thing too often. We’re very concerned with being regarded as one of those bands that can be around for a long time, and being known for one thing and one thing only is never very good for that. We love a challenge so there was something nice in trying to prove that we were a band that could be more than just abrasive. There’s elements in the new record that are still quite s similar to the first album but I think there’s a lot more ambition to the song writing on the second album.

Are the lyrics available?

Millard: They’re in the artwork this time. I think we’re a bit more sure of ourselves in terms of what we’re singing about this time. It’s not embarrassing having every one know what you’re singing about - it’s quite nice in a way.

What did you get up to last time in Seattle that you might do again?

Millard: There was a vegetarian restaurant that we went to. Last time we had a day off we went to see the baseball. Doing something like that makes you feel like you’re somewhere special. We’ve got a couple of instores lined up, too. We’re playing Easy Street Records.

What side of your family do your dark looks come from?

My dad’s side I think. That’s an unusual question. The lads sort of slightly take the piss out of us because they think I look a bit Mexican or something. We’ve got this lad for the minute doing merch with us, he’s Peruvian, and people say me and him look like brothers.